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National strategy needed to end mental health police ambulances

Anonanon (01/07/22 @ 19:01)

This is a tragic case, but one in which the police seem again being caught between a rock and a hard place dealing with an individual who had clearly been failed by the Mental Health system. Despite having a diagnosis for paranoid schizophrenia and apparently a history of violence and now Essex's issues with a number of calls he had made in relation to mowing down chidren, 2 doctors decided this wasn't sufficient for him to be detained under the MHA. The inquests juries issue with police seems to be that, post release, the inquiries were not made with 'speed and targeted precision' a comment that can only be made in hindsight especially as, at that stage,they were only dealing with potential Mal Comms offences. IOPC looked at this and apparently found no blame on Essex Police and made no recommendations to change its policies or training. It appears GLOVER was a prolific nuisance caller to police making assorted calls and vague threats over an extended period of time. I wonder if the IOPC bearing in mind the inquest juries comments, as with the PORT case, reopen the matter based on 'new and compelling evidence'

A Nony Mouse (01/07/22 @ 19:48)

No matter how many times I have read that article I can't see any criticism of the NHS or any witch hunt relating to their treatment of Glover. Where is the apology from the NHS, given that the Police seem to have apologised.

Jensen2021 (01/07/22 @ 21:46)

That’s exactly what I noticed. The BBC article headline in relation to the poor Essex lad mentions ‘police failures,’ but nothing of the MH staff. It’s beggars belief that another agency completely fails in their duty of care, yet the media decide to blame it entirely on the police. Again, senior officers seriously need to pushback in this publicly. It’s not right that other agencies absolve themselves of their responsibilities and hide behind the police who then get smeared.

Captainover (02/07/22 @ 07:49)

The NHS never apologise for failings. They cannot do anything wrong. Stupid people stood on their doorsteps banging pans thinking that that are amazing. They aren't. We have one of the worst performing healthcare systems in the world yet people are blind sided by the 'free at the point of use' mantra.

NW-Bobby (03/07/22 @ 00:21)

The best way for police vehicles not to be used as ambulances is for a police resource not to attend in the first place.

APC (03/07/22 @ 11:43)

@Jensen2021 To stop the police getting involved calls should be redirected to the NHS. Someone says they want to kill themselves, redirect call to NHS unless their is mention of weapons, then we can meet at a RV. But police should not be landing first. Police should have 136 powers, they should be ambulance / designated persons only. That way it is inappropriate for police to attend.

Softly Softly (04/07/22 @ 16:01)

All too often the appropriate services aren't available, they've all gone home. Why should officers have to sit in A&E departments until the 'patient' can be seen - not their job to be minders, NHS has its own security staff to do that, a total waste of policing time. Patients usually are given advice in A&E, either orally or written and told to see their GP (anyone tried the latter recently?). NHS put mental heath either in the 'too difficult box' or it's a the bottom of the list of priorities.

Anon (06/07/22 @ 17:52)

@Jensen2021. Sadly Jensen this would involve senior officers having moral courage and innate leadership ability, both of which are a rare thing in modern policing.

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